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Scope of the Project, Notability Rules (clarification), and Syntax for the Watchlist are linked here: Watchlist Talk Page. A discussion on the types of chapter status is here: F&S Project talk page, Archive #7.

I have updated the master list of institutions that are red-linked in chapter lists for fraternities, sororities, honor societies, and other groups covered by our WP. This list is alphabetical by school name and includes all known associated groups in that single entry. There are also some sources to aid in creating articles for these redlinks, as identified by various editors. Items can be removed from the list, once an article is created. Rublamb (talk) 00:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a working list of articles with substandard or missing chapter lists, which merit the attention of Project editors. For examples of lists, see List of Zeta Psi chapters, List of Beta Theta Pi chapters or the Alpha Delta Phi Society. If you are working on an article, please indicate below. Strike out when the article is fixed. Jax MN (talk) 21:34, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note that this list had been much longer; editors have reposted it after removing the completed projects. Jax MN (talk) 19:44, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Alpha Delta Mu, needs chapter list
• Alpha Delta Sigma, needs chapter list
• List of Alpha Epsilon Pi chapters, format errors, many missing chapters vs. Baird’s, and incorrect dates. Needs revising.
• Alpha Iota, chapter list incomplete, some missing chapters, missing dates. Also, several of its schools are redlinks, to be added to our tracking list. IN PROGRESS Rublamb (talk) 19:36, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Alpha Omega Alpha, needs chapter list; see talkpage for help
• Alpha Pi Delta, needs chapter list
• Alpha Sigma Lambda, needs chapter list done, still missing some chapter names Rublamb (talk) 03:47, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Alpha Sigma Mu, needs chapter list
• List of Alpha Tau Omega chapters, formatting, needs end dates
• Alpha Upsilon Alpha, needs table, missing dates and status
• Beta Sigma, missing chapters
• Beta Sigma Omega Phi, needs table
• Beta Sigma Phi, needs chapter list; more than 5,000 chapters but are listed on its website
• Ceres (women’s fraternity), apparently missing some chapters. Infobox notes 34 of them. Did the national just close?
• Chi Epsilon Pi, needs table
• Concatenated Order of Hoo-Hoo, needs chapter list
• List of Cum Laude Society chapters, merge state lists into table, add locations and status
• Delta Alpha Pi (honor society), needs chapter list
• Delta Epsilon Iota, needs chapter list (started)
• Delta Kappa Gamma, needed list, needs better citations
• Delta Sigma Delta, needs notes converted to efn, missing international and graduate chapters, needs better citations
• Delta Sigma Theta collegiate, needs date templates
• Delta Theta Phi, needs status, formatting of chapter names, etc.
• Delta Theta Tau, needs list, needs better citations
• Epsilon Eta Phi, needs table, missing details
• Epsilon Pi Phi, needs table, incomplete list, missing details
• Estonian Students’ Society, needs a table, missing inactive chapters and many details
• Eta Sigma Delta, missing data, needs table
• Gamma Phi, need chapter list
• Gamma Sigma, needs chapter list
• Gamma Sigma Alpha, needs chapter list
• List of Gamma Sigma Sigma chapters, list needs cleanup, reordering, bold/italics, and chapter location fields.
• Gold Humanism Honor Society, needs chapter list
• Golden Key International Honour Society, needs chapter list
• Intercollegiate Knights, needs infobox and chapter list table.
• Iota Phi Lambda, needs list
• Iota Sigma Pi, needs chapter list
• List of Kappa Alpha Psi chapters, has several lists that need to be merged, data moved from table to efn, and needs date range for inactive chapters
• Kappa Delta Pi, needs chapter list
• List of Kappa Kappa Gamma chapters, needs formatting. Combine Canadian and US lists, add Ref and Notes columns, needs better references
• Lambda Alpha, needs a chapter list, missing charter dates, and need to be arranged in charter order
• Lambda Alpha Upsilon, some missing fields, and non-standard styling for the Active/inactive column.
• Lambda Beta, needs chapter list
• List of Lambda Chi Alpha chapters, fix abbreviated college names, move notes to efn, moved inactive dates from notes to dates columns
• Lambda Epsilon Chi, needs chapter list
• Lambda Pi Eta, needs chapter list
• The Links, needs chapter list
• List of Lambda Theta Phi chapters, needs links for locations, spell out states, merge colony and chapter tables, add chapter closure dates
• Mortar Board, needs chapter list
• National Residence Hall Honorary, needs chapter list
• List of Nu Sigma Nu chapters, cleanup of notes, etc.
• Omega Phi Gamma, small chapter list; needs table, dates, status and location.
• List of Omega Psi Phi chapters, the format of active/inactive chapters, merge tables, end dates missing, move comments to efn, split graduate and collegiate chapters
• Phi Alpha (honor society), needs chapter list
• Phi Alpha Delta, chapter list need
• Phi Beta Delta (honor society), needs chapter list
• List of Phi Beta Sigma chapters, merge lists, add regions to the table, move table notes to efn, add end dates for inactive chapters
• List of Phi Delta Theta chapters, order chapters for charter date
• Phi Delta Kappa, needs inactive chapters and dates
• Phi Delta Kappa (sorority), needs dates, updates to status
• Phi Delta Phi, needs a table, completion of the chapter list, various info
• List of Phi Iota Alpha chapters, format, needs dates
• List of Phi Kappa Tau chapters, needs a table, spelling out chapter names, needs better citations
• List of Phi Kappa Theta chapters, put in charter order
• Phi Mu Delta, needs table, dates, merge districts (can add a district column)
• Phi Sigma Epsilon, date formats, merge tables and update status to new format
• Phi Sigma Nu, needs some list cleanup, with new provisional chapters. Minor.
• Phi Sigma Phi, needs a table, move comments from references to efn, needs better references
• Phi Sigma Tau, needs chapter list
• Phi Tau Phi, needs chapter list
• Phi Tau Sigma, needs table, missing details
• Phi Upsilon Omicron, needs chapter list
• Phrateres, non standard presentation of data, cleanup
• Pi Alpha Alpha, needs chapter list
• Pi Delta Phi, needs chapter list
• Pi Kappa Delta, needs chapter list
• Pi Kappa Lambda, needs chapter list
• List of Pi Lambda Phi chapters, merge state tables, format and order
• Pi Sigma Epsilon, the table should be updated. Status, bold/italic, ref column.
• Pi Tau Sigma, needs chapter list
• List of Psi Omega chapters, cleanup of status column
• List of Psi Upsilon chapters, needs list table; missing many fields/ May need to split the co-ed group into a separate table; this organization operates under one HQ., needs better citations
• Sigma Alpha, needs a table, missing some information, needs more references
• Sigma Alpha Epsilon Pi, some inconsistencies in the chapter list.
• Sigma Alpha Iota, needs a table and added content, needs better sources
• Sigma Alpha Lambda, needs table, missing data
• List of Sigma Alpha Mu chapters, format, missing data
• Sigma Delta Alpha, non-standard table
• Sigma Gamma Chi, needs table, missing some data
• Sigma Gamma Tau, needs table, merge various lists, added dates and status, needs sources
• Sigma Iota, missing details
• Sigma Lambda Upsilon, needs list table; missing many fields, needs better references
• List of Sigma Phi Delta chapters, needs efn created from ref and column text, no references
• List of Sigma Phi Epsilon chapters, non-standard table, apparently some lingering vandalism on chapter #s.
• List of Sigma Pi chapters, exhibits recent good-faith but non-standard edits. The promotional top section, “100 man chapters”, if retained, should be moved down. Bold and italics should be added, needs better references
• Sigma Pi Phi, needs chapter list
• List of Sigma Tau chapters, City State needs to be fixed
• Square and Compass (fraternity), needs table, missing some data done Rublamb (talk) 00:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Sigma Tau Delta, needs chapter list
• Sigma Zeta, needs table, missing inactive chapters
• SPURS National Honor Society, needs locations, missing some chapters and data
• Swing Phi Swing, needs table, missing some data and inactive chapters
• Tau Sigma, lacks chapter list; I contacted national on 2/21/2024 Rublamb (talk) 19:04, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Tau Sigma Delta, needs table, additional detail
• Theta Alpha Phi, missing chapters
• Theta Nu Epsilon, needs table, location and status columns
• Theta Sigma Phi, now Assn for Women in Communications), needs a list table, and multiple fields.

Rublamb (talk) 07:47, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a working list of articles with substandard, bloated or missing lists of notable members, which merit the attention of Project editors. For examples of lists, see List of Alpha Omicron Pi members or List of Alpha Delta Phi members, though each of these could be expanded with a chapter location field. As another example, Phi Kappa Theta does a nice job with their notable members list, with the addition of some color title lines. We may opt to use this styling as a way of breaking up a wall of text.

Standard content for a member list is name, chapter and initiation year, notability, and references. Long list are usually divided into careers such as academia, art and architecture, business, entertainment, government (non-political) law, literature and journalism, military, politics, religion, science and medicine, technology, and sports.

If you are working on an article, please indicate below. Strike out when the article is fixed.

To avoid vanity listings, on these page’s Talk pages, it would be helpful to add a list of rules for inclusion, as discussed here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Fraternities_and_Sororities/Archive_6#Notable_members_2. Jax MN (talk) 17:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Many GLO member lists are simple lists of names. This is just a start.

• List of Alpha Delta Phi members, needs a location field (to clarify, does each line need a location of that chapter? or skip this?)
• List of Alpha Omicron Pi members, needs a location field (to clarify, does each line need a location of that chapter? or skip this?)
• List of Acacia members, alphabetize lists by last name, alphabetize sections, needs references
• Delta Zeta, inset list of names, ought to merit a list article with table.
• List of Eta Kappa Nu members, simple list, few references, needs chapters and locations. As a point of clarification, for honor societies that award membership as honoraries (~mid-career) it seems we should simply note that they are an honorary member of the national society if they were not initiated into a specific chapter.
• List of Sigma Alpha Epsilon members, needs table(s), needs references

The main list of infobox issues can be found at Category:Fraternity articles with infobox fraternity issues.

I have these here from other discussions so they are easier to find:

1. “| coat of arms or “| crest” where “| image_size” is null or missing. (The size parameter is manually adjusted, depending on actual image size.) – Category:Pages using infobox fraternity with missing image size (21) –Done. Note that I downsized somewhat the crests and other infobox graphics, too many of which had crept so large that they were inadvertently expanding the infobox width. Of course, if someone wants to see a larger image of the crest, they can click on it, or go to the original source. Flag images are now typically 120px, and member badges appear about the size of an actual badge, or maybe up to 20% larger. Jax MN (talk) 22:35, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. “| founded” where the tag structure “{{Start date and age|yyyy|mm|dd}}” is NOT used – tracked at petscan DONE
3. missing |affiliation= – Category:Pages using infobox fraternity with missing affiliation (6)
4. missing |type= – Category:Pages using infobox fraternity with missing type (2)
5. missing |scope= – Category:Pages using infobox fraternity with missing scope (4)
6. missing |member badge= – Category:Pages using infobox fraternity with missing member badge (854)
7. missing |chapters= – Category:Pages using infobox fraternity with missing chapters (46)
8. missing |members= – Category:Pages using infobox fraternity with missing members (802)
9. missing |website= – Category:Pages using infobox fraternity with missing website (141)
10. Missing short descriptions. – tracked at petscan DONE
11. Orphans – via WP Orphanage search and petscan DONE
12. missing |status= – Category:Pages using infobox fraternity with missing status (2)
13. Article name does not match infobox – DONE
14. Missing infobox – DONE, if had WP F&S Rublamb (talk) 00:42, 29 June 2024 (UTC)}[reply]
15. Missing country
16. Unreferenced – working list pulled and shared in a new section below 29 June 2024
17. Notability – working list pulled and shared in a new section below 29 June 2024
18. Primary sources – tracked at petscan
19. One source – working list pulled and shared in a new section below 29 June 2024
20. Has bibliography but lacks inline citations – tracked at petscan
21. Needs color boxes (Helpful link, has colors, flags, and addresses of Baltic, Scandinavian, German, and Polish fraternities)

Rublamb (talk) 02:01, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A bot runs every month (current was done on June 1) that has a rollup of all of the values. (https://bambots.brucemyers.com/TemplateParam.php?wiki=enwiki&template=Infobox+fraternity) This was a *lot* of useful information, for example, for the parameter patron roman divinity , you can show links to all of the pages that use it *or* click on the Unique values columns, see how many unique values there are and for each of *them* see what pages they have. One annoying piece of data, I want to track down. 787 pages with the infobox, 787 with type, 787 with scope, and *786* with founded. Which means *one* article doesn’t have it.

It is generated monthly, so we won’t be able to see our recent changes for a bit, but it *will* be useful. Let me know what you find most useful!Naraht (talk) 03:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Another issue: The Bot reports 787 pages with the Infobox fraternity. The List of Articles on the WP landing page only has only 744. If I understand how the List is generated, this means that 43 articles do not have WP Fraternities and Sororities listed on their Talkpage. I will see if I can find these using petscan. (Anything to avoid fixing the issues with Christian fraternities). Rublamb (talk) 15:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Petscan found seven. Working on it. Rublamb (talk) 15:30, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July

Looked at the talk page for the creator of the bambot (User:Bamyers99). It appears that the run with the June 1 data was created on June 9. It processes a generated file from Wikipedia that takes a while to generate. I dropped him a note thanking him and asking if the 9th was about normal. (With these types of generated files, I’d be *very* surprised if it ever came earlier than the 4th).Naraht (talk) 21:13, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July has been generated. Any additions of suggested/required will not show up until August. I’ll take a look at July to see what changes we are looking at.Naraht (talk) 17:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And the work I did yesterday is not reflected. I guess will will need to wait another month to make sure that unwanted fields are truly not in use. But this is still progress. Rublamb (talk) 19:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Correct. It is based on the State of the Wikipedia database as of July 1.Naraht (talk) 20:08, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Founded

As of June, there was *one* infobox without founded. *If* the infobox is set so that it is suggested or required, the rollup will show a link so we can see which one is missing. Similarly, I think it could be done on the others that are more than 700, chapters, name, birthplace, and country.Naraht (talk) 01:59, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Or, I was thinking we could use Excel to compare the complete list with the list of items with countries, etc. It has been a while since I have used that feature, but it should yield a list of aritlces lacking whatever component. Rublamb (talk) 05:24, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Found it! Aquinas Honor Society. Working on getting a date, I’ve found one that places it no later than 1951.Naraht (talk) 15:14, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Great! Rublamb (talk) 15:20, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August is up

Exactly 800 with the template. I’ll move comments over to Template talk:Infobox FraternityNaraht (talk) 13:08, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I’m unable to find any other sources. Still can remain on the LGBTQ list article. Rublamb (talk) 01:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delta Epsilon Mu (50+ chapter national professional, PFA, *zero* references)
• Fraternities of Plast, zero references
• Kappa Alpha Lambda (4 chapter social, *zero* secondary references)
• History of North American fraternities and sororities, had also been off the radar.
• History of the North American fraternity and sorority system, no sources, is this needed?
• Korp! Leola, (Estonian, only one source)
• Korporatsioon Vironia (no sources; references exist in German Wikipedia)
• Kösener Senioren-Convents-Verband (no sources; references exist in German Wikipedia)
• Lambda Epsilon Chi (150 chapter honorary), its website is the only source
• Mu Epsilon Theta (1 chapter (at one time 5) social, *zero* secondary references)

Delete – I found nothing that was helpful to add. It can be on the list of service and/or religious GLO, but this article should be AfD. Rublamb (talk) 23:03, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

– Found a few references. Need to add: from News.google. search “mu epsilon theta” catholic. Naraht (talk) 00:23, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will see what I can find in Newspapers.com with that addition of “Catholic”. Rublamb (talk) 00:26, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All I found in Newspapers.com were mentions of membership in wedding, etc. annoucements. Okay to prove chapters but not to establish notability. Rublamb (talk) 00:31, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Only other sources were mentions of brides or graduates being members. The one secondary source is a local newspaper that basically quotes a member who says it is a local that has existed for 30 years and has 1000 alumni. The bulk of its content is from the group’s website. But enough to be included in our list article. Rublamb (talk) 23:50, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Naraht (talk) 15:57, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Naraht: can I merge my short list of articles with no sources into this list since the issue is pretty much the same? Rublamb (talk) 19:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. And Tau Alpha needs To be restored to the list reverted my removal. Currently at Talk:Tau Alpha, would appreciate eyes on.Naraht (talk) 19:29, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Rublamb (talk) 23:58, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removed completed items. Rublamb (talk) 20:50, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I hesitate to delete all these from the Watchlist. I think there is value in keeping the names as redlinks for notable locals or regional groups which do not or no longer have articles due to lack of sources. –But where, in good faith, we know they exist and otherwise meet notability rules. There is value in tracking the names of these, one of which is to more clearly indicate to future editors that a page once existed, which may provide a starting point for redrafting an article, should sources appear. Jax MN (talk) 22:32, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jax MN: My removed comment above meant that I deleted completed items from the “Current list: Infobox fraternity/sorority & Notability or No Ref Tag” so that we could better see the items remaining. However, some time ago we discussed/agreed that the articles that went to AfD in this review process did not belong on the watchlist. The watchlist’s purpose is to generate notices for the activity report or, less importantly, identify needed articles. Since WP-initiated AfD article don’t fulfill either role, it is confusing to keep those on the watchlist. However, a list of all deleted articles is available through the deletion report on the WP page, so that info is easy to review at any time. Also, most of these AfDs met the criteria to be included in one of the various list articles (social, professional, honor), keeping that info available on the public side of Wikipedia. I have no idea how we ended up with a cluster of articles that were not linked to a list article and/or redlinks on the watchlist but were not mentioned in any Wikipedia article. Being able to fix some of these issues is another benefit of the cleanup project. I also plan on adding at least a stub for any redlinked item on the watchlist, if there are sources for notability. Rublamb (talk) 00:25, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My addition of chapter count to the infobox of a German group was reverted with this comment: “German student fraternities, known as “Studentenverbindungen,” do not have chapters in the way that English fraternities do. If one were to find an equivalent to this concept in German student fraternities, the fraternities themselves would be considered the chapters of the umbrella organizations.” ThoughtS? Do we need to exclude chapters from those with the Studentenverbindungen type in our report for missing chapters? Does this impact how we treat the German umbrellas? Rublamb (talk) 13:46, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I *think* that they are mostly right. And I think Studentenverbindungen is the plural, the singular is Studentenverbindung and I think the German Umbrellas should be treated link the US ones like PFA. (though probably *not* in the same article) and it isn’t *just* German, I think Austria, the Baltics, Poland and maybe Czech Republic & Slovakia.Naraht (talk) 15:44, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have worked on many of these articles and it is always a bit off from our norm. So is each group/chapter a Studentenverbindung (singular) in their infobox, rather than a Studentenverbindungen? And, we would no longer use the chapter field for any group with that type unless its website states a chapter number. Or should we translate to “student organization” or “student association” for type? Rublamb (talk) 18:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My preference: type = Studentenverbindung (the singular)

yes on the website has to give a number otherwise leave it off

Drop the issue category if the type is Studentenverbindung . Primefac Is this is possible?

There seems to be terminology for dueling vs. non-dueling groups, as well as other types of Studentenverbindung. Once we/someone gains a better understanding of the various articles (list to come later) maybe we can use Emphasis to better describe. Or, maybe this can be part of the new infobox? Rublamb (talk) 17:36, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve reached out to the Discussion group over on dewiki at de:Portal_Diskussion:Studentenverbindung#Request_knowledge_from_english_language_wiki_on_Studentenverbindung and got some really great answers to things. And as I said before, I’m thinking of creating an Template:Infobox_Studentenverbindung equivalent to https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Infobox_Studentenverbindung if I can understand all the fields.Naraht (talk) 19:42, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After working on several Studentenverbindung articles recently, I found that what looked like an infobox for many was actually a code-generated table. All are now changed to “Infobox fraternity”. I don’t think we need a new infobox, but suggest adding “Zirkel” as a field option to Infobox fraternity. (Color for Couleur is a reasonable translation). Everything else works as is. We just need to create some instructions or at least answer these questions”

1. Are we going to use color boxes or ribbon approximations?
2. How do we determine the correct terms for emphasis; i.e. linking to the German word article for dueling, non-dueling, no couleurs, Catholic, and Christian? Or do we use the English translation?
3. Do we use “Infobox fraternity” for individual fraternities and their umbrella groups? If so, what is the correct type for the umbrella group? The groups that used to have “Infobox organization” were called “trade association” under type. Umbrella group seems pretty informal.

Also, most articles use the foreign language version of the fraternity’s name, rather than the English translation. Do we want a translation at the top in parenthesis or should we have a field/free field for the English translation? I struggle with which is correct here. Just consider, why are we using the German word Studentenverbindung instead of its translation? Is there a precedent in other parts of Wikipedia for continuing to use the foreign word instead of its translation? Rublamb (talk) 18:36, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I ran across the term “Diaternity” or “diaternities” on the UVA fraternity list, then tracked its recent use elsewhere to at least one small, co-educational, transgender-focused or multicultural fraternity. This appears to be a newly-coined term, which an LBGTQ+ group, Lambda Delta Xi may have created, and which they define as “to transcend boundaries.”^[1] The term is quite new.

While I am supportive of clarity and inclusion regarding language evolution I don’t necessarily want to indulge every trendy word or phrase, or co-opted new usage. –It’s so easy to over-reach in adopting new terms as they appear, and it seems to me that Wikipedia and the Wictionary are somewhat conservative in this, as are encyclopedias and dictionaries, generally. Jax MN (talk) 21:30, 6 August 2024 (UTC) Jax MN (talk) 21:30, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can’t remember which group, but the term was coined maybe ten years ago. If that is what the group calls itself, I see no issue with including that in the article. Same difference as allowing some sororities to continue to self-identify as a women’s fraternity. If diaternites is used by more than one group, it might be worth mentioning in the overview article(s). Rublamb (talk) 01:11, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to University of Virginia fraternities and sororities#Social diaternities, there are four national diaternities. Might be worth breaking these out in List of social fraternities and sororities, once we determine the four. Rublamb (talk) 18:52, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We have three of the four in List of LGBT and LGBT-friendly fraternities and sororities:

• Lambda Alpha Lambda (local, 2 chapters)
• Lambda Delta Xi (local)
• Sigma Omicron Rho (local)
• Chi Alpha Iota (local), not currently in the list

Rublamb (talk) 18:57, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One of our main articles, Fraternities and sororities, has had a factual accuracy tag since March 2023. I just added a few sources, which is part of the issue. Since other have worked on this article in the past, you may have a better idea of what content is questionable. Rublamb (talk) 18:08, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is also a discussion on the articles Talkpage about moving this to Collegiate fraternities and sororities. Rublamb (talk) 22:27, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Editors with ties to some of the GLOs — some of the bigger social fraternities and APO are examples — brand their User pages with small banner tags noting membership. It might be a helpful long-term objective for the Project team to create these, one for each society in their colors, that they might be picked up by editors (typically, new editors) to drive Project participation. We could pin them to each Talk page, with instructions for use. Jax MN (talk) 17:50, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Userboxes/Collegiate sororities and fraternities Rublamb (talk) 02:58, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have updted the userbox template list on our Watch List so that it is easier to see which groups already have a userbox template. (I still need to check our ist against the one linked above). However, some existinng userbox templates are basicaly unreadable because of lack of contrasting colors.

If we are going to add these to all articles relating to the GLO, my suggestion is the horizontal template that nests under the WikiProjects, rather than the verticle box that floats to the right of the page. I don’t recommend putting the userbox code in a TalkPage comment as that could be auto-archived. Does anyone need to see examples of the two formats before commenting? I am willing to work on inserting the templates if there is agreement on style. Does anyone volunteer for template cleanup duty? Rublamb (talk) 18:16, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are Convention Lists appropriate for articles. (June 5-6, 1904|Cincinnati|Royale Cincinnati Hotel) etc. Naraht (talk) 17:25, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Visually, they’re not problematic, as they break up walls of text. They may be marginally useful, so I don’t rush to cut them. But neither do I make a special effort to add them — there are more valuable edits to be made. How is that for splitting hairs on an answer? If voting, I’d keep them. Not a strong opinion either way. They can, occasionally, add historical context and show an operational period of activity. Jax MN (talk) 17:49, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would, in general, say that including convention lists runs afoul of trivia; unless something monumental happened at a specific convention (which can just as easily be mentioned in prose) the average reader will not need to know, nor care about, in which city the 1958 Convention took place. Primefac (talk) 18:39, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not to mention the convention hotel and theme. I support including the first national convention in the text, as well as those conventions with major outcomes, such as going coed, desegregation, mergers, name changes, etc. I remove unsourced convention lists when I come across them and have, in the past, merged a few stand-alone list articles, only sourced to the group or unsourced, into the main article using the above guidelines. If the conventions are included, we really should find secondary sources; newspaper articles are pretty easy to find for anything pre-1960s. Rublamb (talk) 03:12, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, we’ve gotten List of fraternities and sororities in the Philippines under control. I’m going to take a crack at the version of the article in tagalog (one of the languages of the Philippines) tl:Talaan ng mga praternidad at sororidad sa Pilipinas. Each Wikipedia works under its own rules and goodness knows that I’d be lost trying to discuss any changes there, but I do want to take a crack at it.Naraht (talk) 02:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you find a good source (newspaper?) that Google can translate into English, please share. Many of the existng articles read well and have complete infoboxes, but are only sourced to the university and GLO’s websites. Rublamb (talk) 18:03, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t intend to create articles over in the tagalog wikipedia, just try to work on that article. I don’t know if the Wikipedia rules that force us to have the crests only on the article about the fraternity rather than on other articles as well applies over on the tl wikipedia.Naraht (talk) 16:46, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We need to get a handle on naming conventions for student associations and corporations articles. We seem to have a mix of full foreign-language names, the Korp! nickname, the nickname without Korp!, and English translations. When working in this area yesterday, I found little consistency with Latvian and Estonian group names–the English Wikipedia article’s names typically do not match the German Wikipedia name, sometimes using the formal name when that is not in use in German Wikipedia or the group’s website. Also, the English translations may or may not be correct. This can eventually be fixed with redirects, but I am struggling to figure out the best common name format so we can be consistent across all articles. Refer to List of student corporations in Latvia and List of fraternities and sororities in Estonia for examples of the article name variations. (Note that I have linked to German Wikipedia if I could not find an article in the English version). Rublamb (talk) 22:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As these are (or ought to be) treated more comprehensively in their native language Wikis, I think we should include a link to the original language article and use a consistent naming structure, probably the ‘full’ name, not nickname. As long as these are treated consistently within the English language Wikipedia, I would be amenable to whatever of the options you list that you determine works best. Jax MN (talk) 22:52, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In most cases, using the full name is like naming an article “The Grand International Sisterhood of Moo Moo Moo, Incorporated”, rather than “Moo Moo Moo” or “GIS Moo Moo Moo”. (The later being what many of these corporations use on their websites, with “GIS” being common identifier for groups of that type). Since we already follow Wikipedia’s naming guidelines and use the common name with US GLOs, I am pretty sure the article’s title should be a shortened. It would be helpful to have a member of one of these groups or someone who speaks the language help us naviage what are and are not essential parts of the full name. For example, using “Korp!” may be akin to saying “Chi Psi Fratenity”, with Korp translating as the unnecessary word “fraternity”. Rublamb (talk) 23:25, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

From the official sorority website, the History page…

Chi Alpha Delta was organized in May 1928, at the University of California at Los Angeles under the guidance of Helen M. Laughlin, Dean of Women. A year later, on April 5, 1929, the sorority was officially recognized with the granting of a charter by the University.

Naraht (talk) 23:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Answereing for the generic version of this sitution: I would use the first date in the infobox and mention both dates in the text. If they use the second date as their anniversary, I would put that detail in the text, and still used the first date in the infobox. I would also use the first date in the GLO list article table but would add a efn indicating the second date if I think there will be confusion. However, since there would be link back to the main article, an efn is not essential. Rublamb (talk) 00:02, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can I get some help with University of Virginia secret societies? An new editor added and keeps restoring an undocumented group to this article. I have looked and cannot find any mention of the Jammers in the many articles about UVa’s secret societies. Rublamb (talk) 00:10, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve welcomed the user with some helpful tips, but I’ll throw protection on the page if they persist. Primefac (talk) 13:41, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

www.honormuseum.org might be useful. With https://honorsocietymuseum.org/all/ being a list of those groups with a specific page about them. Right now we have *one* article that uses information from there: Rho Kappa.Naraht (talk) 00:14, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At one point, someone replace the some of the dead links to ACHS member pages with links to this website. However, I don’t know it is connected to ACHS. Rublamb (talk) 02:00, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I *really* don’t think it is, diving into it leads to https://www.honorsociety.org/ , which I get really bad vibes from. “Honor society for all” which looking at the site means less than nothing. I was always looking into an honor society because it gave a good dental plan.Naraht (talk) 03:26, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I had the same read on honorsociety.org. It seems like a for-profit website, possibly getting paid for click-throughs to honor society websites. It would be helpful if the “museum” were a reliable source because many of the socities formed in the late 20th and 21st centuries need more sources since they were never in Bairds. Is this a reliable source? Where do we think their content is coming from? Rublamb (talk) 16:16, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An editor with the name National African American Greek Letter Association has made edits to List of African-American fraternities and sororities. Looks like this is a new umbrella that was created in 2023 or 2024. I have added NAAGLA to our watchlist and will work on an article for it shortly. This article is the best source I have found. NAAGLA uses Instagram and Facebook, rather than having a website. Do we want to go ahead and add this to Affiliations, or wait until it links to a group with an article? Rublamb (talk) 16:09, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of missing associations, did anyone work on an article for the Junior Pan-Hellenic Congress? The article for Eta Upsilon Gamma has a red link for it. Jax MN (talk) 16:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]